Monogamy, polyamory and beyond

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I enjoyed the article. To comment further, I would need to spend more time reading the article and of course, engage in further research - both of which I intend doing.
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I would have to agree with the comment by Crib, whereas this is definitly an article that needs to be read more than once to fully take in and comprehend, but nonetheless, thank you for posting this, as I find that this is a subject that needs to be studied further, especially out here in the "wild west" quite a bit more. I live in Nevada where a divorce or annulment of marriage is easier than the marriage itself, yet the state wants to take the conservative route and spoon-feed family values down the neck of the populous; hypocracy at its finest!

We have an extremely high rate of divorce, as well as being the home state of Las Vegas AKA "Sin City"; "What's done in Vegas stays in Vegas." In short, it's ok to commit acts of adultery and prostitution (being I think the only state in the US where prostitution is legal as long as it meets state government regulations), just so long as it's swept under the carpet and not discussed publicly. Money, greed, sex, corruption... All swept under the blanket of conservatism and the turn of a blind eye.

Here in Reno, the businessmen too cheap for the brothels go to 4th street, feeding the drug habits of streetwalkers. Is this any different? Is there a difference betwixt the prostitution of a meth addicted street hooker or a high priced professional in a brothel? Sex and money are the same, and all in all, it's still adultery.

I digress... I guess what I am trying to say is that all of these "johns" feeding the prostitution industry here, (much different than that of downtown Frankfurt, St Pauli, or the Damraak in Amsterdam), are committing acts of adultery, but because it is legal, it appears to me as it is not adultery in their eyes.

"If wifey doesn't find out, than it's not wrong." Is this not the same as if I don't get caught committing an act of murder, than it is not against the laws or the state or humanity?

How little they think of "wifey" at home. Yeah. No worries. She's getting hers too!

All in all, I can't really decide whether human sexuality will ever truly be understood.

Thank you for posting this article. It truly brings about some serious point to think about!
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I'm still not over jealousy. How about you? I do get joy out of others' joy, though... not envious. There's a subtle difference between jealousy and envy, eh?
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Thank you for sharing. ^_^
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I'm looking forward to further commenting then :-)
Polyamory isn't exclusively about sexuality. On the contrary, it's far more than that. Of course, sexuality is an area that still is taboo in many parts of the world, and anything that differs from what is seen as 'normal' would be even more of a taboo.

While polyamory certainly isn't for everyone and it shouldn't be seen as some 'higher' from of dealing with relationships (as some poly people tend to do), in my humble opinion it's a lot healthier than adultery and dishonesty.

Another misconception is that of polyamory being a licence to do whatever you heart or genitals desire. Poly people certainly aren't all nymphomaniac sex obsessed hedonists, and there are many ways of being in a polyamorous relationship.
I think we all get jealous once in a while. It's a very human reaction. However, the difference is in how you deal with being jealous. Do you try to control the other person, do you become suspicious, are you exclusively blaming the other person. Or are you looking beyond jealousy, are you going to the root of the problem. Jealousy is a composite emotion, and often masks other emotions such as insecurity. People should work on those underlying causes, instead of indulging in self pity. Of course, this is easier said than done.

And of course, the underlying reasons for one's jealousy might very well justify that feeling too. If your partner neglects you and your needs, and is selfishly only pursueing his / her own happiness, you rightfully are jealous. In that case however, you should talk about how you feel with the other person, and try to come up with a solution.

And of course, sometimes people are just not right for one another.

Looks like a great post. I'm going to comment later when I feel better. :)

I do become suspicious, although I often blame myself for my jealous feelings or that maybe something i did / am doing is at fault. Insecurity, poor self esteem, a poor self-image, and fears of abandonment figure prominently into that as well, though working on those is difficult... perhaps more positive experiences would help to alleviate them as problems, or at least balance out the negative experiences I've already been through (?).
Yes, perhaps more positive experiences might help. However, I think it's more important to work on that yourself. You are the only person that can make you happy in the long run. If you don't work on your self esteem, and are always depending on other people to make you feel good, you will always be in for disappointment. People can say 100 nice things about you, and then when the next person says something negative, that one negative comment will destroy the effect of those 100 positive ones. I know all too well, because I let it happen myself. Even a negative comment from a complete stranger tends to upset me, no matter how many times my friends tell me I'm [insert positive stuff here]. I need to work on that, too.
Ok, so how does a person work on that? I always thought those affirmations (you know, positive reinforcing phrases) were a bit corny, and it's not like I'm going to believe something written on a 3x5 index card, just because it's there. *grin* Right now, I'm picturing all those endless self-help books, courses, lectures, tapes that people spend millions of dollars on. You know what a cynic I am, too. hehe
Pehaps we should consult those that are convinced being optimistic and positive is a choice, eh?
Whoa... this here read is one hell of a road trip, and merits some serious pondering (this here be one of those points to exclamation point... exclamation point)!

First thoughts (and i beg your forgiveness at my fumbling and stumbling [and lengthiness]... and i am going to reread this again!)...

The optimist in me says that discovering new ways of being in intimate relationships is well worth the time spent, for if the outcome is to learn more about what might be meant by 'universal compassion' and 'unconditional love,' and to experience such things, then this would be well worth more than its weight in gold, truefully :) !!!

Yet... then there's the cynic in me. (oh damn it! Why don't i know well enough to leave well enough alone [shakes his head in his own general direction], for wouldn't it be easier if I just confessed that the idea of any such relationship as described above would be quite truefully unashamedly desirable)... Yet, apologise, the cynic nonetheless says that unconditional love is easier to commit to by way of speech and sentiment then it is to practice. I myself have confessed unconditional love, and I meant it (every word), but alas, nothing actually does last forever and one can only know the bounds of ones heart when one is caught up in it... meaning of course that I guess there were conditions and bounds after all even though I still call what I felt (feel) unconditional. (go figure?)

The cynic also says that even though I do in many ways belief that each and every one of us feels that sense of 'universal compassion', people nonetheless still shoot one another... eek.

And finally (woot, may we all see the rear end of the cynic!) the cynic finds the finishing words of the article "Can we envision an “integral bodhisattva vow” in which the conscious mind renounces full liberation until the body and the primary world can be free as well?" amusing.

What silly fool hearted but probably well intended monkey came up with the idea that the world could ever be 'free?'
And why are people (the great big We) so bloody gullible enough to listen to talk about freedom particularly when its been bandished around so bloody much by people (turn on your news, listen to your politicians) who should have given freedom a bad name already!

Oops, but I'm getting sidetracked (occupational hazard, my bad)...

Please, don't get me wrong, I'm all for exploring new possible ways of being, yet I say 'freedom' is an ideal, and its not the only ideal that is almost transparently snuck into the dialogue of this article... besides which, I'm always suspicious of anything that could be labelled as a movement, however (*said with a raised finger)...

This being the weight of my cynical musings, I nonetheless wouldn't find it surprising if I was to discover people who were successfully (all be it successful in the usual living uncertain sense) polyamious (hmm... i hope my spelling ain't shockingly awful at this junction, for this be a new word).

The reason why it wouldn't surprise me if I was to meet successful polymious folk is simple... for by the terms given in the article above what is important and makes or breaks relationships is the same for both monogamy and polyamary... in which case, either/or, its besides the point! The point isn't about whether you are monogamious or polyamious, just in as much as its not about whether your straight or gay, or if u have a fetish for cheese (but maybe thats just me, lol), the point concerns what makes relationships work and less destructive... maybe? Hmm...

Admittedly, the author of the above article is aiming for more then this, indeed for nothing short of having us question our intimate realtionships and some of the things about them that we take for granted, and in this task it excel's, and for this reason I really do like it a lot, yet... (oh bugger, why with me is there always a but) it seemingly also wants to promote a better understanding then that which we currently have...

But can "we" have it? Can "we" learn to see an enlightened viewpoint, a new ungirdled liberal vision that could free "us" from the shackles of our own self imposed miseries... hmm... um... well, for my part, all I can say is, I'll do my best.
I don't think polyamory is unfessible, nor unworkable, but i neither think that its a cure for the dramas and pitfalls of the human condition and of the relations therein - in fact manys the time where good intentions, and well founded ideas (ideals?) have ruined havoc throughout this human We.

Yet I must confess to my own biases, I say never trust mystics, or psychologists, or psychologist mystics... and its probably best to ignore philosophically inclined mystically confounded commentaries too. :)

I think, in short, that this article, at its heart, has much to say... and raises many a question, and perhaps, maybe, with fortune and discord on our side, if we asked ourselves such things more deeply and attempted to free ourselves more thouroughly from our possessive inhibitions and evolutionary bequeathed habits, then maybe, just maybe, we'd... sigh... nope, it seems just too much to imagine, a dawning of the age of aquarius, or of Learies LSD freaks turning on the collective unconscious mind into a new way of seeing. Again, please, don't get me wrong... i do think that these are questions that should be asked, and that we (human things) should be asking them, and new ways of seeing and being are where its at... or we could just um, you know, follow the example of ancestors... or maybe we should hope to learn from our mistakes.

oops... this is longer then i intended... and hopefully it has some food for thought in there somewhere...
and... wow... its still new years day... have a good one.
Humbly,
A crazy man in a nutshell (let me the hell outta here).
I just heard the Minx go over this essay on Polyamory Weekly #99. I remember, quite acutely, the different ideas I considered after reading this, and it was refreshing to go over the points again.

You are to cool, Irma. ^_^

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